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Huvrye Tirvio ([personal profile] effiomsfavorite) wrote in [community profile] metalogs2023-01-19 01:39 pm

Lucy In Disguise With Glasses [Closed]

Who: Huvrye [personal profile] effiomsfavorite and Mark [personal profile] atypical_echo
What: Huvrye has a magical disguise and needs help figuring out Normal Human Looks, so he asks Mark for help.
When: Mid-January, post ageswap event
Where: The Diadem Hotel
Content Warnings: None so far

Huvrye has had the enchanted velcro strap for a few weeks now, courtesy of Doctor Strange, and while he knows he should practice with it more, everything just feels off when he does. He knows that just hiding his wings and ears isn't enough to really disguise himself, but he's also having trouble seeing himself as a human enough for the disguise to really work. He sees plenty of humans around, but he doesn't want to just copy one of them, because that's going to cause other problems if someone else recognizes them.

So he does what he normally does when he runs into Normal Human Problems and calls Mark, asking for his help with something ("it shouldn't be too bad? I'll explain when you get here") and promising to pay for dinner. Provided he didn't get mugged along the way, Mark should be here soon; for now, Huvrye is waiting.
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[personal profile] atypical_echo 2023-01-19 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, there's something intriguing about becoming someone's go to 'normal human problems' person. Which was of course silly because Mark was so not a 'normal human person'. But hey, he was being invited over by a friend, he was going to get food, and he liked talking to Huvrye.

So there he was, knocking at the door, wondering what was expected of him.
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[personal profile] atypical_echo 2023-01-20 10:47 pm (UTC)(link)
"Yeah, magic and me don't seem to happen," Mark confirms. What an interesting question to have asked of him. "I mean, I'm pretty sure that's why I don't mirror you. Your powers are a class that I can't really get a piece of."

OF course he's not certain. The coming here messed with him a lot of ways he didn't understand.
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[personal profile] atypical_echo 2023-01-21 05:52 am (UTC)(link)
"Magical disguise sounds great for not getting harassed. Saw your thing online, figured that since I don't know too much about religion. It wasn't part of my life growing up."

Still, he's intrigued over the question of 'who else to look like'.

"Why not look like yourself? Just without the wings?"
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[personal profile] atypical_echo 2023-01-21 03:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh Huvrye, what a silly question.

"I mean, other than hiding the wings, a minimum change would mostly just be disguising your ears, making your skin a touch paler, and your eyes a little more pink. You'd pass pretty easily as someone with albinism. I went to school with someone who had the condition. Sure you'd still look a bit irregular, but you'd be accepted as within the... what's the word? Standard deviation of humanity? The question is how much of YOU it is you want to keep."
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[personal profile] atypical_echo 2023-01-22 01:45 am (UTC)(link)
See, Mark doesn't see the point to altering appearance unless you're trying to hide. But that's not what he's focused on right now. Instead he looks at Huvrye with an almost sad, contemplative look.

"I get the not looking like yourself as a disguise, though it's a bit of a shame, as you look pretty good. Have you considered softening your looks to be a bit more human normally, and then altering yourself more for being a hero?"
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[personal profile] atypical_echo 2023-01-22 09:44 pm (UTC)(link)
It's a damn long period of time that he's standing there, staring and blinking. And in that time Mark's heart aches because damn, that's just another glimpse into things that Huvrye has been denied. These touches of humanity, of self confidence and self worth that he's been refused.

"While you're not the traditional sort of model or celebrity beauty of my world, Huvrye, you're not unattractive. In fact, I don't doubt there are people who would be easily attracted to you. You've got a sort of ethereal, fae sort of look that many people would prize. And I'm sorry no one back in your world ever told you that you've got good qualities."
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[personal profile] atypical_echo 2023-01-25 07:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Plain? Mark actually chuckles at that.

"Okay, let's start with one thing. The attention you're getting now is probably heavily from the wings, because they're not common. I'm not going to argue about that. But that's not it, Huvrye. People like things that are different. That said, there's a lot of lore in human history about fairies and elves and you sorta fit the description and people are into them."

And it's just like that. So yes, it's entirely possible he can mostly look like himself and people will like the look of him.
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[personal profile] atypical_echo 2023-01-27 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
Well, if it wasn't explained of course he wouldn't find the point. Though Huvrye is sort of selling Mark short. He doesn't get it, Mark's been property, and he wouldn't believe that people should be property and that Huvrye isn't actually a person.

"Okay then. If that's what will make you most comfortable, let's figure some things out. How about the hair color first?"
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[personal profile] atypical_echo 2023-01-30 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
"I think you would get plenty far without me," Mark said, "but I'm glad you didn't have to go it alone."

IT had been a long experience, helping Huvrye tweak and twist the illusions until they made him look as unique as they could manage, while also not being too interesting. It's a lot of work, but he accepts it as the best part of being someone's friend. Because help is what friends do.

"Sure, I'm happy to see whatever you want."
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[personal profile] atypical_echo 2023-01-30 09:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, that's a lot to process. And it really just underlines the low self-esteem that Huvrye is almost made up of. Well, it takes some time to heal from things like that, and he's going to do his best to help.

"No," he says, reaching out to touch his friend's shoulder. "You're not plain. I'm telling you that right now. Maybe in your world you're different because you can't change, but that doesn't mean that you're plain. No matter what people tell you. Got it?"
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[personal profile] atypical_echo 2023-01-31 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
"And you don't owe me everything. Or anything," Mark reminds him. He wants Huvrye to remember that, to only share what he wants to share. "But no matter what it is, it doesn't change one simple truth. This is who you are, and no matter what, you get to define what 'who you are' means to you. You aren't where you were anymore. Here you can be what you want."

And Mark will fight for that for him.
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[personal profile] atypical_echo 2023-01-31 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)
"That's not true at all. You were brought here, but what you brought with you as well is the emotional pain and baggage, and over time you'll learn how you carry that, how you let it define you, is always still your choice."

And right now Huvrye is choosing an unhealthy choice because maybe that's all he know how to do.
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CW: dehumanization and Nazi imagery (discussed and approved beforehand) [Confirmed prior approval]

[personal profile] atypical_echo 2023-01-31 08:35 pm (UTC)(link)
They don’t need explained, those numbers. Mark’s seen things like them before, in history books. His father had been such a history buff, and so there were plenty of ‘primary source’ resources in their house growing up. So of course his mind flashes to the most obvious parallel in his own world, the one most people would come up with. And then his mind leaps to something else, something other people wouldn’t think of.

17-E-5-L5. He knew how traumatized that had left him. Imagining it marked on his skin would have made him sick. Of course they never would have been able to do it, because they had tested him around people who could heal, so the tattoo would have been lost if they had tried.

That said, he has to think that Huvrye has a date with someone good with ink in the future if he wants it. But that isn’t what he is going to say now.

“Huvrye, I’m going to say something that is going to sound like absolute insanity right now, but I need you to answer me seriously, okay? Because there’s a point to it. I hear everything you’re saying, and don’t get me wrong, we’re going to take the time and unpack the clearly fascist dystopia you grew up in, and how people are never property, and so many other things, but for the moment, I need you to take the next thing I say very seriously, okay?”

He gives it a moment, gives Huvrye the chance to think about the request from Mark. And then he goes forward with it.

“I’ve introduced you to coffee a few different ways. What’s your favorite kind of coffee so far? Remember, think seriously before you answer. And think about why it’s your favorite.”
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[personal profile] atypical_echo 2023-01-31 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Good, he has a preference, and a reason for it. Perfect! Mark offers a smile in response.

“Because weapons are things, Huvrye, and things don’t have preferences, or likes and dislikes. A gun doesn’t like armor piercing rounds over standard. A tank doesn’t have a reason to prefer dry ground over muddy, even if one is better for its operation. There are no preferences with a sword when it comes to whether their handle is wrapped in one color leather or another. People have preferences.”

He’s going to put aside the whole idea of animals here because those have preferences too but he’s not going to muddy that water. Right now he needs Huvrye to see that he’s a thinking, reasoning being. And that makes him a person.

“You were a soldier for your world, and it sounds like you weren’t given a choice in that life. But that doesn’t mean that you are without your own ability to make choices. Sometimes people get caught like that. I got caught in that, I had my agency stripped away for years, but that didn’t make me less of a person, and that doesn’t mean I lost my right to make my own choices now. And right now, you’re free of whatever fucked up structures you were in, and you get to make your own choices, no matter what your past was.”
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CW: References to Slavery

[personal profile] atypical_echo 2023-02-01 12:56 am (UTC)(link)
Homunculi. What did that word even mean? And why did it matter?

“You sound like a plantation owner back before the Revolution. They used to say that about some people too. People that were ‘made’ to serve them, to work in their fields and make money for them. Of course that doesn’t change the fact that just enslaving a person doesn’t make them any less a person.”

And being a former slave, even a military slave, didn’t make Huvrye any less of a person.

“You’ve been a person all your life too Huvrye. You were just controlled by bad people who refused to see that. People who didn’t deserve you.”
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CW: corpse desecration, debates on souls

[personal profile] atypical_echo 2023-02-01 02:31 am (UTC)(link)
No, he’s not missing it, he just isn’t buying the premise. At all. And he isn’t likely to change his mind.

“First, and let’s get this out of the way: I’m an atheist, I don’t believe in souls. So ‘lacking’ one isn’t going to sell me on the lies that slave-owners tell to their slaves to keep them in line. Actually, I’m pretty sure that one was told to black slaves in America too, so extra points against it. Secondly, you were born, but just born in a different way than I was. Arguing against that would also mean that you’re arguing against the personhood of someone who is, say, hatched, or cloned, or even thinking machines that are constructed or something.”

Because Mark’s seen enough here to believe that AI could probably get to be fully sentient and thus people. So that argument is total bullshit too. And Mark’s not going to buy it.

“And I’m not going to say that the people who created you,” because he’s not saying ‘made’, that’s dismissive of Huvrye’s personhood things, “are good people for using the bodies of people who passed away. But I have seen what alchemy can do, and I know it makes things absolutely real. From what I saw from Oliver, it’s very potent, and it’s very real. So that doesn’t take away from you being a person. Also, new homework for you, you’re reading Frankenstein, because literally we teach in school from one of the most classic stories of all time that even if everything about your creation that you’re saying means you don’t have a soul and makes you not a person is actually wrong. If, and hard if on it from me, souls are real, the people without them are the ones that hurt you so bad, that beat you down until you really believed all their lies.”

Because that’s absolute truth in Mark’s mind. If Huvrye isn’t a person, then neither is he, because they were both lied to by their governments, both tools that never deserved what they were treated like.

“There is nothing you can say to make me believe that one of my best friends in this world isn’t a person, Huvrye. And I know I’m going to find a way to make you see yourself for what you are. Because I made a promise that I’m not going to stand back and not fight to save people from bad things. I’m not going to run because I’m scared or because it’s hard or because I could get hurt. And that includes this.”
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[personal profile] atypical_echo 2023-02-02 05:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Of course Huvrye comments on the least damaging thing. So Mark reaches out, gently taking one of Huvrye's hands.

"Come on, let's sit down and order dinner. I'll explain homework, and then I'll probably have to back track and explain school and education for young people on this world. So you have enough of an understanding of it to wing it through any questions that may have come up."
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[personal profile] atypical_echo 2023-02-03 07:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Good. Mark tugs him gently toward the couch so they can sit down.

"Alright, I think it's probably best to go with something we've already tried before. Better to just choose something familiar, your favorites."

Reinforce that you have favorites.
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[personal profile] atypical_echo 2023-02-04 07:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Mark takes the phone and smirks when he finds that the delivery history does in fact show this place is pretty common to him.

"Pho it is. I love pho actually. It's comfort food. I've missed not having it. We'll get a huge serving of it, and sit at the table together, and eat it together. That's how it's supposed to be done, but apparently a lot of places in the states don't do it that way."
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[personal profile] atypical_echo 2023-02-06 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
"Yeah, that makes sense," Mark says quietly, moving closer to his friend and opening his arms. Come on, cuddle up. IT might make you feel better.

"It doesn't have to be weird, you know. You can be what you want here. We both can. You don't have to be a soldier, and I don't have to be a lab experiment. Again."
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[personal profile] atypical_echo 2023-02-06 06:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, they were both damaged goods, and Mark knew that now, even if Huvrye has not fully done so.

"When I finished my four years in college, I decided I was going to go on a trip around the world with some friends. Instead I was kidnapped by a secret government organization to be experimented on for a long time. I... I don't even get to have the scars from it, because a lot of the tests were done around people with healing powers."
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[personal profile] atypical_echo 2023-03-22 03:00 pm (UTC)(link)
"Yeah," Mark says with a little bit of a whisper. It was... It had been so bad.

"There was a lot that place did to me, and made me do. But there's no map of the hurts on my skin anymore, and so sometimes life feels like an impossible dream."