Who: bruce wayne
batsymbol & jason todd
renegerWhat: a fun family trip
When: late january into early february
Where: excelsior, the shadow realm
Content Warnings: shadowbugs, joker, head trauma, discussion of child trafficking and sexual assault, comic book violence

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He came to me and put his trust in me to do something about it. Not Kyle, not Diana, not Dick, not you. Me, and if something happens, that's on me and I have to live with that. Just like I have to live with what Riddler did to Alfred because he was one step ahead of me.
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It doesn't matter if I tell you while you're here. You get that, don't you? You fuck off from here an' go home, and whatever you learned is just - gone. It's not gonna help you against your Superman. All it's gonna do is make you get obsessive over trying to find a way to weaken him here. Then you'll obsess over trying to retain that, even if it's fucking pointless.
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He shows up here and anything happens, I'm holding all of you responsible for any deaths by his hands.
( turning, his cape flows behind him as he starts to walk again. )
Including my own.
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The Batman who killed Joker, the one I thought I wanted all along - I watched him get his skull punched in by a Superman. Not ours. I saw his brains splatter across the cement.
( another nightmare. kyle was there too, as was donna. they - get it. but he's not bringing them into this part of the conversation. )
I know the risks, and the costs if I do tell you. So you're just gonna have to trust me here.
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jason asking for his trust just gets bruce to huff a soft sound of... something under his breath. it's not entirely amusement. it's a little too disappointed to be. )
Trust's a two-way street. You're asking me to trust all of you, when none of you trust me. Because you keep comparing me to the him you know. ( their bruce. )
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and yet here is bruce, bitching about them not telling him shit. )
Fine. Tell me that if I tell you, you're not gonna spend the next who the hell knows how long obsessively finding a way you can take advantage of it. That you're not going to make plans to take him out.
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Sure. I won't come up with a way to stop him in the event that a Superman shows up looking to slaughter everyone. I'll just sit on that and do nothing to be prepared for it.
( that's sarcasm. )
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( do you see the problem here, bruce. )
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( a beat. )
Or do you just think you're the only ones who do that?
( he's a detective you know. )
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( eyes narrowing under his mask, visible in the way his brow furrows above it. )
That Batman had one bad day, one bad incident and he went off the rails. Do you know how many other Batmans're out there who have one bad day an' turn that into everyone else's living nightmare?
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( there's disappointment there in his voice before he turns to keep walking into the darkness. )
Stay away from me then. If you're all so worried.
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see, this would be a good point to argue that no, he doesn't, but there's always the risk and they've already given bruce damn near everything on them. that despite all the years of training jason has on bruce, he wouldn't be able to take him down. not because he's stronger, or better, but because despite him not being their bruce, he's still - bruce. that bruce himself keeps contingencies on contingencies on all of them. that he's trying to get information for yet another contingency. that, if bruce already knew what he's after, he'd be disappointed in the rest of them for spilling it to any other bruce. and that's not - jason comparing them. that's just going off of shit he's learned from this one.
he thinks about walking away. of just turning around and letting them go their separate ways. they're both capable of handling themselves, they'd be fine in here alone. it's what bruce is asking for, and even if jason came all the way in here for him - fuck him if this is how he's going to be when he's getting bitchy over clark.
instead, he opens his mouth, )
I was telling Rayner about--a child trafficking ring Talia sent me to for training. To relearn to fight, since I'd learned how to with restraint so I didn't kill anyone. I was telling him that I'd. . . gotten most of 'em out, but who the hell knows how many kids suffered because I didn't get them out fast enough. You know what he said?
He said I deserved to be saved. That I can hate what they did, and what they chose to do. But I deserved to be saved. An' I freaked out. I thought he knew. I haven't talked about it, not with anyone.
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jason can handle himself as much as bruce canβ well. provided another shadow joker doesn't pop up. he's not too sure how jason would react to that, but. they're still both capable. and maybe it's for the best they part ways. here. if they ever get out. this is already the longest either of them have spent in each other's company and it's clearly taking a toll on the both of them. this is why bruce wonders why jason even bothered to come in after him. wishes that he hadn't because of course they've ended up here. almost as if it's inevitable.
he expects jason to just leave, but. then again. since when does jason ever do what he asks or tells him to? so it's really no surprise when he doesn't. when he goes and starts talking again and bruce is ready to simply ignore it. leave it behind him because he's fed up, disappointed, and a myriad of other things he doesn't want to feel or deal with right now. but the more he listens to what jason says, the more he finds himself unable to ignore it.
once again, his steps slow and he stops. standing there in silence within the darkness. within their darkness. )
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so he doesn't. )
When B "died" the first time around, he left all of us messages. He said I was broken, that we shouldn't've kept secrets, that he should've fucking repaired me instead of making me Robin. I know that's not how he meant it. He's shit with words. But hell - that's the kind of shit that just--sticks with you, you know?
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it's only after a moment that he turns some. slowly. just barely, even. enough to look to jason out of the corner of his eye, still without saying anything, and more to look to him. maybe a little through him. to the depth of those words and how they feel to jason. how he still carries them with him, even if he might never talk about it.
except that he is now. )
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No one here knows. 'less Junior does, but I know he didn't--fuck around with Talia either, so our histories don't exactly match. I'm not gonna ask. ( he laughs, but it comes out hollow. ) He dodged a bullet there. I'm almost jealous.
( he is jealous. pissed. sad. a fucked up mess of emotions jason doesn't know how to describe. his skin crawls just thinking about it. )
No one knows. Except you.
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when he finally comes up to jason, he stops. stands there in front of him. continued silence, the floor is still jason's. at least until he brings a gloved hand up and gently places it on jason's shoulder. )
No one needs to know. About anything. Unless you want them to.
( that is to say, bruce won't say anything to anyone. not about this or what happened with that joker. )
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I know.
( a slow breath in through his mouth, and jason lets it out through his nose. reaches a hand out to grab onto bruce's wrist. his voice is quiet, softer than usual. it lacks the hard edge it gets when he's being aggressive, the snarky lilt when jason's causing shit. )
But I told you. I trusted you with it. Not 'cause I needed to, but I, ( lips pressed together tight, while he--tries to think through the right way to word this. ) I freaked out.
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Do you still feel freaked out?
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( because it's bruce. it's different, telling someone who is but isn't jason's father figure. he's still holding onto bruce's wrist, grip loose enough he can get out of it if he wants to but firm enough to make it clear he's trying to keep hold of him. )
I haven't trusted anyone else with--that. Wasn't even something I meant to tell B.
( asserting, again, how much he trusts bruce here. )
So I don't wanna hear shit about not trusting you.
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Do you really think I'll use whatever you tell me in bad faith? Not based off whatever other versions you've dealt with. Me. Standing right here with you.
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( the answer comes quick, because there's no question to it. no doubt in his mind. and then he's - raising eyes up to meet bruce's own. )
If I did, I wouldn't've told you any of my bullshit. But Superman's shit isn't mine to tell.
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I still have to know. Because I can't risk not.
( he'd never forgive himself if he could prevent or stop some psychotic version that's possibly killed some version of him somewhere from doing anything to anyone here at some point. even if it's not likely. even if he's not here right now. bruce doesn't deal with it when it happens. he prepares for it. )
You understand.
( he's not asking jason to tell him. he's just telling him that he will find out. )
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( well. jason won't. but he's also not going to help bruce along, which he's fairly certain he's made obvious. another moment of - standing there. looking at bruce, watching him, before jason releases his wrist and starts walking again. they don't really have ground to cover so much as space to explore. he's not planning on getting anywhere any time soon, but standing still doesn't sound great either. so. )
Sure did a great job of getting away from all of us. Next time? Try an' keep yourself from making jumps through fucky shadows.
( changing the topic, except jason immediately backslides right to where they had been. )
If some fucked version of him shows up, I'll give you all the ammo you need.
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I'll keep it in mind.
( about disappearing somewhere else, the jason will help him if some psychotic superman shows up... who's to say. maybe both. either way, he glances around them as he goes. )
I left here before. ( he says then. ) Back in December. I went back to my Gotham.
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